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Microbes + Spirituality with Asia Dorsey

About the Episode

What if actions you take today might not only change the future but rewrite the past? What if your gut was a kind of “bank” where wealth was stored, released, and passed onto others? What if the bacteria living inside you will influence the lives of your great-great-great-grandchildren? What if every decision we make is actually dictated by unseen forces that live in, on, and around our bodies? Is asking that a kind of spiritual acknowledgment that there are things much bigger (or smaller) than us that we can’t see, but that are nonetheless real and constantly influencing our lives?

And while the intention of this episode is not to argue the metaphysical merits of time entanglement or the existence of free will, I am someone who gets mystical when I start talking about food. My Instagram bio once said, “Fermentation is my theology. Shared meals, my church. Paradox and prose, my offerings. Aliveness, my message.” I just think food is an endless source of metaphor. And microbes—microscopic organisms like bacteria, yeasts and molds, algae, and viruses—are some of life’s greatest magicians and alchemists, constantly practicing the art of transformation and change, taking one thing and turning it into another. And the art of change is something I’m deeply interested in.

Asia Dorsey is someone who practices this art every day. She’s the one who originally taught me how to collaborate directly with microbes, mostly through the process of fermentation. So, of course, in today’s conversation, we talk about the intersections of Microbes + Spirituality.


Episode Details

About Asia (she/her; they/them)
Asia Dorsey writes Afrofutures into existence by reweaving Black bodies into relationship with the earth through the fabric of food. She studied food and sociology at New York University but extended her education to include public health nutrition in Accra Ghana, seed sovereignty in Northern India with Vandana Shiva, and biological agriculture and ancestral nutrition with Kay Baxter in New Zealand. After healing her depression with bones, bugs, and botany, Asia took the helm of Five Points Fermentation Company in 2016 in order to bring probiotics to the people. As a bioregional herbalist apprenticing with Herbal Elder, Susun Weed, an organizational ecologist with Regenerate Change, and permaculture instructor with the Denver Permaculture Guild, Asia deciphers and reintegrates the sacred instructions of microorganisms, plants, and animals to bring the patterns of ecosystems into our people systems. You can also find her curating educational programs at the Seeds of Power Unity Farm, bone-deep in soil, balancing botanical chaos long enough for her people to rise together in power and step into the wholeness that is their birthright.

Join in and support her creations on Patreon and on Instagram. And, listen to her on The Petty Herbalist podcast, as well.


What We Discuss

  • The wild notion of sugar as healing.

  • Our thoughts and beliefs affecting the way we “metabolize” food, people, and everything else.

  • Microbes as spiritual impulses and deities.

  • Sanitization, inoculation, war, and allowing ourselves to be changed by the “Other.”

  • Becoming that which we resist.

  • Phases of activism as phases of ecological cessation and inflammatory responses in the body.

  • Fermentation as a type of ancestral “inheritance” and what ancient dairy practices teach us about generational wealth.

  • Viruses as adaptation advantages.

  • People who have cleared the path for us to claim both science and spirituality in all their complexity—devaluing neither but also not ignoring their flaws.

  • And, the beauty of not belonging.


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Credits
Audio engineering by the team at Upfire Digital.

All of my music is provided by the in-house musicians at Slip.stream.

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